President of the Ford Foundation at that time. The other is Mr. Norman Dodd, the chief
investigator for what was called the Reece Committee, which was a Congressional
committee to investigate tax-exempt foundations. The Ford Foundation was one of those, so
he is there as part of his Congressional responsibilities. 
In 1982, I met Mr. Dodd in his home state of Virginia where, at the time, I had a
television crew gathering interviews for a documentary film. I previously had read his
testimony and realized how important it was; so, when our crew had open time, I called him
on the telephone and asked if he would be willing to make a statement before our cameras,
and he said, “Of course.” I’m glad we obtained the interview when we did, because Dodd
was advanced in years, and it wasn’t long afterward that he passed away. We were very
fortunate to capture his story in his own words. What we are about to witness from our time
machine was confirmed in minute detail twenty years later and preserved on video.
The reason for Dodd’s investigation was that the American public had become
alarmed by reports that large tax-exempt foundations were promoting the ideologies of
Communism and Fascism and advocating the elimination of the United States as a sovereign
nation. As far back as the 1930s, William Randolph Hearst had written a series of blistering
editorials in his national chain of newspapers in which he cited Carnegie Foundation
publications that spouted Communist slogans identical to what was coming from the
Communist Party itself. When the Carnegie Endowment published an article written by
Joseph Stalin attacking Capitalism and praising Communism, Hearst called it “propaganda,
pure and simple.”  He continued:
Its publication by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace is an act of
thorough disloyalty to America – indistinguishable from the common and familiar
circulation of seditious and subversive literature by secret creators. The organ which
carries such stuff, even if it has the imprint of the Carnegie Endowment, is not one
whit less blameworthy and censurable than the skulking enemy of society whose
scene of operation is the dark alley and the hideout. 1
In another editorial, dated March 11, 1935, Hearst turned the spotlight on Nicholas
Murray Butler, who was the President of Columbia University and also President of the
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Hearst quoted a report written by Butler
which was a strategy for abolishing the United States as a sovereign country. He concluded:
In his report to the Directors of the Fund which Andrew Carnegie left to
promote the Europeanization of America under the mask of universal peace. Dr.
Butler expounds quite frankly the astounding Anti-American propaganda that this
organization is carrying on.
This movement is for what Dr. Butler calls a WORLD STATE. It is the most
seditious proposition ever laid before the American public, SEDITIOUS because it
gives aid and comfort to the communist, the fascist and the nazist, absolute enemies
of the very rock bottom principles on which our Government is founded.2
Voices of outrage  also were heard in Congress. George Holden Tinkham of

Massachusetts, Louis T. Mc Fadden of Pennsylvania, and Martin J. Sweeney of Ohio
castigated the tax-exempt foundations as disloyal to America and seditious to the
government. Tinkham called for the creation of a committee to investigate tax-supported
organizations working for the “denationalization of the United States.” Congress, however,
was inert on that topic, and nothing happened until after the end of World War II. In spite of
strong opposition from within Congress, the Select Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt
Foundations and Comparable Organizations was formed in April 1952 and turned over to
Congressman Carrol Reece of Tennessee. It was this committee that Norman Dodd served
as the chief investigator, and it is in that capacity that we now see him at the New York
offices of the Ford Foundation.
We are now in the year 1954, and we hear Mr. Gaither say to Mr. Dodd, “Would you
be interested in knowing what we do here at the Ford Foundation?” And Mr. Dodd says,
“Yes! That’s exactly why I’m here. I would be very interested, sir.” Then, without any
prodding at all, Gaither says, “Mr. Dodd, we operate in response to directives, the substance
of which is that we shall use our grant making power to alter life in the United States so that
it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.” 
Dodd almost falls off of his chair when he hears that. Then he says to Gaither, “Well,
sir, you can do anything you please with your grant making powers, but don’t you think you
have an obligation to make a disclosure to the American people? You enjoy tax exemption,
which means you are indirectly subsidized by taxpayers, so, why don’t you tell the Congress
and the American people what you just told me?” And Gaither replies, “We would never
dream of doing such a thing.”

1  As quoted by Catherine Palfrey Baldwin, And Men Wept (New York: Our Publications, 1955), p. 9.
2  Ibid.